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- 29-Sep-87 09:05:57-PDT,30444;000000000001
- Date: Fri 28 Aug 87 19:52:49-GMT
- From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR>
- Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V3 #41
-
- Delphi Mac Digest Friday, August 28, 1987 Volume 3 : Issue 41
-
- Today's Topics:
- HyperCard Find (2 messages)
- HyperCard crashes (8 messages)
- HyperCard Number Formats (2 messages)
- OCR Scanner (4 messages)
- Disks trashed in shipping (2 messages)
- RE: HyperCard radio buttons (5 messages)
- hyperFonts (2 messages)
- RE: SERD .. 2 Resources?
- RE: Re: LSC and MultiFinder/Juggler
- OCR (3 messages)
- Zap SS SCSI drives
- MPW 2.0 patch
- Hyper's not hot points (2 messages)
- MACazine HyperCard stack
- HyperCard Upload (5 messages)
- accounting pgm. (2 messages)
- TMON 2.8 patch
- RE: HyperCard available (4 messages)
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: MACWEEKBOS
- Subject: HyperCard Find
- Date: 20-AUG 21:56 Programming
-
- The Find command in HyperCard is nice and fast, but where's the Find
- Again command?! Can it even be programmed in?
-
- Ric
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: JOSEF
- Subject: RE: HyperCard Find (Re: Msg 21954)
- Date: 27-AUG 13:30 Programming
-
- Ric--the "Find Again" command is simply the 'Return' key!
-
- Joe
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MADMACS
- Subject: HyperCard crashes
- Date: 20-AUG 23:01 Bugs & Features
-
- Has anyone else had strange bombs/crashes using HyperCard? I've had
- problems with two different copies obtained from two different sources.
- Once, I simply hit the backspace key while in a stack. BOOM! At one of
- the user group sessioons the people from the Macazine said that they had
- some coccasional crashes with it. A friend of mine just got a
- HyperCharger for his SE. Before the HyperCharger, he had no problems
- using the HyperCard he got from Apple (he's an Apple rep). Since the
- upgrade, he's had numerous hangs and crashes that don't exhibit
- themselves on other machines or in other software. Hmmm. Robert Hammen
-
- Madison Macintosh Users Group
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: JOHNCRANE
- Subject: RE: HyperCard crashes (Re: Msg 21956)
- Date: 20-AUG 23:05 Bugs & Features
-
- I've had the same copy of HyperCard perform nicely on one one-MB Plus
- then usually refuse to open on another 2-MB Plus. I increased the
- system stack, and it has done find since then.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard crashes (Re: Msg 21956)
- Date: 21-AUG 01:52 Bugs & Features
-
- I haven't had any crashes, but I saw some refresh problems while editing
- in a scrolling field. I was selecting and pressing backspace, and
- sometimes it would update the screen incorrectly (the text was deleted
- properly though). I had to change to backspacing the insertion point
- through the stuff I wanted to delete in order to keep track of what was
- happening. It also put some fragments of stuff (pieces of the thumb?)
- in parts of the scroll bar where they should not have been.
-
- But the worst bug so far is that HyperCard is HOSTILE TO DESK
- ACCESSORIES! This is a BUG, Bill! BUG BUG BUG! (Basically you can't
- keep the DA open while working in HyperCard because you can't get the
- HyperCard window in front of it. Two things are needed: the ability to
- click the HyperCard window without closing the DA and a menu/control key
- to send the HyperCard window to the back of the window list so the DAs
- reappear.)
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MADMACS
- Subject: RE: HyperCard crashes (Re: Msg 21965)
- Date: 21-AUG 20:04 Bugs & Features
-
- It has some definite refresh problems running the new E-Machines Big
- Picture software. The new E-Machines software allows you to run the
- standard Mac screen with the Big Picture giving a 4x displ. This works
- for most other Mac programs (except MacPaint & FullPaint), but not with
- HyperCard (surprise!). It doesn't update the screen properly, and so
- moving the mouse around on the Big Picture will "paint" the scre en.
- It's an interesting effect. The other thing that bothers me about
- HyperCard is that it is all bitmapped. I really want high-quality output
- from my computer, and 72 dpi is not what I'd call high-quality.... Peter
- - have you tried the Windows FKEY? It will usually let you cycle between
- the currently active window and the ones behind it. I've got it
- installed in my System but ripped HyperCard off my hard drive because I
- needed the space (on an 80 megabyte drive!!!).
-
- Robert Hammen Madison Macintosh Users Group
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: RE: HyperCard crashes (Re: Msg 21965)
- Date: 22-AUG 00:11 Bugs & Features
-
- HyperCard is definitely going to take a hit in my review, but there are
- a couple of ways to keep DAs open. The easiest is to get a full page
- display; you can keep the DA window below the HyperCard window (the
- HyperCard window accepts clicks even when not frontmost, as long as one
- of its windoids is in front). If you have a standard Mac II or smaller
- display, you can use a Windows DA (I use the one from BatteryPak) to
- bring the HyperCard window back to the front. (When I mentioned this to
- one of the HyperCard team, she was surprised that it worked, but I've
- had no problems. I'm using Acta in this manner, to transfer text and
- pictures from another application into HyperCard.)
-
- Most applications already have a menu command to bring a DA window to
- the front, and HyperCard is no exception. Choose the DA from the Apple
- menu.
-
- BTW, I'm informed that scrolling fields were a late addition to
- HyperCard. This may explain any bugs.
-
- Hmm, I think I see one reason icon buttons don't default to highlighting
- (which I really think they should). If you're on a Mac+, it makes them
- slow to respond. (On the II, the behavior is zippy.)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: RE: HyperCard crashes (Re: Msg 22019)
- Date: 23-AUG 15:33 Bugs & Features
-
- You can bring any windoid to the front by clicking on it -- you don't
- need to be using a paint tool. I suppose if you're actually set to the
- browse/type level, you wouldn't have any windoids...but I don't see why
- anyone would want to be other than programming, even if they don't
- intend to.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard crashes (Re: Msg 22035)
- Date: 23-AUG 18:47 Bugs & Features
-
- I disagree. There are plenty of applications where you want to have a
- nice fool-proof interface, no messing around allowed. My impression is
- that the scripts can still access the authoring levels even though the
- user can't, but I haven't actually tried it.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: RE: HyperCard crashes (Re: Msg 22040)
- Date: 25-AUG 03:40 Bugs & Features
-
- _Stacks_ may want to go to a lower level, but I don't know that most
- users would need to.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: OSKINTOUCH
- Subject: HyperCard Number Formats
- Date: 21-AUG 10:09 Programming
-
- Does anyone have any elegant (easy) ways to format numbers in HyperCard?
- Eg. Adding $ and , to numbers?
-
- Thanks,
-
- Jonathan
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard Number Formats (Re: Msg 21969)
- Date: 21-AUG 13:33 Programming
-
- To put a dollar sign in front, use
-
- put "$" before number_field
-
- To insert commas
-
- put length(number_field) + 1 into index
- repeat while index > 4
- put "," before char index of number_field
- subtract 3 from index
- end repeat
-
- You will probably also want something to take care of leading
- blanks/zeros, and since I haven't got the manual/online help handy, I'm
- not sure who to go about that.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MEUSE
- Subject: OCR Scanner
- Date: 21-AUG 20:34 Hardware & Peripherals
-
- Does anyone know of a scanner that will do character recognition. I
- have heard Abaton will but not very well. Are there any rumored to be
- out soon. Thanks for any info. Steve
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MACWEEKBOS
- Subject: RE: OCR Scanner (Re: Msg 21984)
- Date: 21-AUG 21:47 Hardware & Peripherals
-
- Steve,
-
- From all I've read, the state of the art in character recognition is
- bad. It's usually better to hire a typist. Probably the best machine is
- made by Kurzweil, at about $50,000.
-
- Ric Ford
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PIPPIN
- Subject: RE: OCR Scanner (Re: Msg 22009)
- Date: 22-AUG 11:49 Hardware & Peripherals
-
- The Kurzweil Scanner is not $50,000. Current pricing is far less than
- that, and you should contact them for more details. Kurzweil Computer
- Products is located in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The Kurzweil scanner
- will read ANY font, learning them as it goes along, both proportional
- spaced and monospaced. Columnar material as well as imbedded pictures do
- not cause problems. Graphics can be scanned as well. Barry
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: RE: OCR Scanner (Re: Msg 21984)
- Date: 22-AUG 00:12 Hardware & Peripherals
-
- Intelligent Optics Corp. will have a scanner...I wrote a portion of the
- software which takes the recognized input and outputs a formatted
- MacWrite document. I haven't seen the actual scanner, but apparently it
- recognizes different typefaces, and underlining.
-
- IOC is in Conn.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MACWEEKBOS
- Subject: Disks trashed in shipping
- Date: 21-AUG 21:38 Business Mac
-
- I just sold a Mac, and shipped it by Federal Express over to New Jersey.
- Along with the Mac, in the original packaging, was a nice set of disks
- containing recent System and Finder, etc. When it arrived, the Mac was
- working, but the disks were all corrupted. Trying to boot the Systems
- got problems ranging from a frozen Mac to "fireworks" on the screen! I
- don't know how it happened - heat, magnetic fields, or what - but the
- data was really corrupted. We are doing follow-up experimentation to see
- if the diskettes can be reused by reinitializing them.
-
- Ric Ford
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: Disks trashed in shipping (Re: Msg 22066)
- Date: 25-AUG 15:47 Business Mac
-
- I don't believe anything except strong magnetic fields will make a disk
- unreadible without cauing physical damage. That means a strong
- permanent magnet within an few inches or a degausser at a similar
- distance. I can believe X-ray machines could be degaussers, or electric
- motors, etc. Magnetic fields decrease in intensity as the inverse third
- power of distance, which means they have very limited range in practice.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard radio buttons (Re: Msg 21986)
- Date: 22-AUG 00:06 Programming
-
- You can use bitmaps and text edit fields. That's all.
-
- It also occurs to me that even if I write an external command some how
- to display a PICT (such as in a window floating above the HyperCard
- window), I would have difficulty printing it!
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: RE: HyperCard radio buttons (Re: Msg 21979)
- Date: 22-AUG 00:11 Programming
-
- What's this about not pasting PICTs? You mean the fact that they turn
- into monochrome bitmaps?
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard radio buttons (Re: Msg 22007)
- Date: 22-AUG 01:46 Programming
-
- Right. I want a PICT field that will print as a PICT should when you
- print the card, and a variation of the field style that has scroll bars
- and some reasonable range of zoom (like 10:1). This avoids the problem
- of integer zoom of bitmaps ('fatbits') not bringing smaller detail into
- view as the image zooms in.
-
- For larger zooms of course, is it not practical to use a single PICT
- because of the amount of unproductive rendering of details which are
- smaller than a pixel when the PICT is zoomed out. The best example of
- what I mean is a solution to Josh's problem of selecting Rhode Island
- from from a map of the USA. All he would have to do is click the mouse
- somewhere in New England in zoom-in mode (perhaps a double-click would
- do this) and he would have no trouble selecting a feature that would be
- uncomfortably small in the original view. (There would still be the
- problem of identifying the feature within the program! All I am talking
- about here is what the visual interface should look like. For
- converting the mouse location within the coordinates of the PICT to a
- feature, you would need some additional data structures.)
-
- Yes, you can do this with a bunch of bitmaps, but the zoomed in maps
- have artifical boundaries in them which are difficult to work with
- visually. The PICT fields could be scrolled smoothly from one place to
- another.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard radio buttons (Re: Msg 22021)
- Date: 23-AUG 18:34 Programming
-
- There is no such thing as a 'button region'. Buttons are defined by
- rectangles, always and forever.
-
- When I find out more about external commands I will be able to answer
- your other question.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: NATURAL
- Subject: RE: HyperCard radio buttons (Re: Msg 22037)
- Date: 23-AUG 22:27 Programming
-
- And forever? Isn't that a little extreme?
-
- Don't you think two years of additional hyper de-bugging will bring
- suggestions to life?
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: hyperFonts
- Date: 21-AUG 22:32 Bugs & Features
-
- HyperCard uses the default (application) font to label icons, and in the
- message box. It's also the default font for the text tool and new
- fields. For all of these uses, except icons, I prefer New York 12.
- Icons look much better labelled with Geneva 9 (the Home card mixes icons
- and pictures). To make HyperCard use your favorite font where you want
- it, set the application font with one of Lofty Becker's programs, then
- use Fedit+ to make the following change to HyperCard:
-
- Change 6720 3F2D F31E
- To 3C 0003 -- 0003 is Geneva
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: more hyperFonts
- Date: 22-AUG 15:49 Bugs & Features
-
- Here's another customization. I happen to be a big hater of Monaco 9 --
- it's the least attractive of Apple's screen fonts. And HyperCard uses
- it for the script window. Luckily, the much more readable Courier 10 is
- the same size, and the following patch (use Fedit+ to accomplish) makes
- HyperCard use Courier 10 for scripts:
-
- change: 3F3C 0004 A887 3F3C 0009
- to: 0016 000A
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: SERD .. 2 Resources? (Re: Msg 21991)
- Date: 22-AUG 01:07 Network Digests
-
- >From: rcopm@koel.rmit.oz (Paul Menon)
- >Subject: SERD .. 2 Resources?
- >Date: 12 Aug 87 07:10:31 GMT
- >More?
- >Organization: RMIT Comm & Elec Eng, Melbourne, Australia.
-
- >hi,
- > The RAM based Serial Driver Resource (SERD) has two ID's. I have
- >guessed that #1 is to be used with "RAMSDOpen" by looking at other
- >programs.
-
- One of the resources is the RAM driver for Macintoshes and the other is
- the driver for the Mac XL (nee Lisa).
-
- peter "In any context, half of all references
- PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: Re: LSC and MultiFinder/Juggler (Re: Msg 21991)
- Date: 22-AUG 01:12 Network Digests
-
- >From: singer@endor.harvard.edu (Andrew Singer)
- >Subject: Re: LSC and MultiFinder/Juggler
- >Date: 19 Aug 87 18:50:10 GMT
- >Organization: Aiken Computation Lab Harvard, Cambridge, MA
-
- >In a previous posting, "rs4u+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Richard Siegel)" wrote:
-
- >> Just a comment -- Chuq (awesome dood :-) mentioned that LSC had problems
- >> under Juggler, uh, MultiFinder.
- >>
- >> This is an understatement. Lightspeed C *crashes* under Juggler...
-
-
- Apple reports that the problem has been located and fixed in their
- internal development version of MultiFinder. I am assuming that means
- it will be shipped with the bug fixed, but they didn't say in the
- message I read.
-
- peter "In any context, half of all references
- PEABO @ DELPHI are local and half are global."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: SJL
- Subject: OCR
- Date: 22-AUG 04:02 Business Mac
-
- In the NEUMac News, in an article on the Boston Expo, the author
- mentions that
- Olduvai's _Read It!_ software [OCR] works with any 300dpi scanner...
- including
- _Thunderscan_ for just $149. The author also mentions _PixelVision_
- as an
- impressive video scanner.
-
- Any further info on these (or related ) products would be
- appreciated...
- -Specifically, how to contact the companies and any opinions from
- users.
-
- Thanks, maybe I can return the vary same favor when I attend
- SanFrancisco in
- January!
- Steve LeClair, MacExplorers Phx.
-
- BTW, I was talking with Microtek and learned two interesting tidbits:
-
- 1.The Apple Scanner is real and is ready to ship. Microtek expected it
- at the
- Expo but they are quessing that since it is being supplied by a
- subsidiary of
- Toshiba Apple is having supply problems. My theory is that Apple is
- merely
- waiting for the Seybold conference in Sept.
-
- 2. OCR for the Mac exists with Microtek scanners. A French firm is
- co-marketing with Microtek. Apparently the software is very
- sophisticated
- (it handles columns like telephone books for example) but is also
- pricey at
- $4500.00.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: NATURAL
- Subject: RE: OCR (Re: Msg 22022)
- Date: 23-AUG 04:03 Business Mac
-
- Olduvai is run by a guy named Juan something from Fla. I just checked
- around and can't seem to find the address but will get it for you
- tomorrow morning if you still want it. Read-It is not yet released but
- they were showing it at the xpo.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: NATURAL
- Subject: RE: OCR (Re: Msg 22032)
- Date: 23-AUG 22:26 Business Mac
-
- They seems to have their act together. I got one of their T-Shirts and
- they're high quality so if that has anything to show... you're all set.
- ;-)
-
- Josh
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: JIMWEINRICH
- Subject: Zap SS SCSI drives
- Date: 22-AUG 10:01 Hardware & Peripherals
-
- Has anyone had any experience with the so-called "Zap-SS" series of SCSI
- hard drives? They're real cheap, and advertised on page 275 of the
- latest MacWorld (September). They come in 10, 40, and larger sizes; the
- 10 Meg size costs only $400! Sounds like a great alternative to an
- external floppy--but only, of course, if it works! Is it compatible
- with the new System and Finder? Does it break? How noisy? Etc. Any
- help would be appreciated! Thanks. --Jim Weinrich
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: LOGICHACK
- Subject: MPW 2.0 patch
- Date: 23-AUG 01:21 Programming
-
- If you are using MPW 2.0 and have a problem with command-down arrow not
- working right, it can be fixed by searching for 67202f032f0a and
- replacing the 67 with a 60.
-
- Paul :)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: DDUNHAM
- Subject: Hyper's not hot points
- Date: 23-AUG 22:45 Bugs & Features
-
- My complaint with HyperCard at the moment involves the I-beam cursors.
- Their hot points are at the _bottom_ of the cursor, rather than at the
- top like most cursors. Worse, the system I-beam (used by desk
- accessories and many applications) has its hot point at the top. So
- it's really awkward switching from selecting text in HyperCard to
- selecting it in a DA (or another application). Unfortunately, HyperCard
- doesn't have any CURS resources. I'd like to modify it to use the
- standard cursor -- anyone have any clues?
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: LOGICHACK
- Subject: RE: Hyper's not hot points (Re: Msg 22044)
- Date: 23-AUG 23:23 Bugs & Features
-
- Err, how about trapping out on SetCursor and then tracing backwards to
- see where the cursor structure is built up?
-
- Paul :)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: MACazine HyperCard stack
- Date: 24-AUG 01:22 Creative Pursuits
-
- You can get a copy of the MACazine HyperCard stack by sending $3 to:
-
- Max Vizsla
- HyperCoOrdinator
- c/o MACazine
- 8008 Shoal Creek Bl.
- Austix, TX 78758
-
- We'd put it in the database, but even with PackIt compression it would
- be more than 650K to download. You'll get a better deal ordering the
- disk. What it is, is a newsy, pictorial, loud (in some places) stack
- with a lot of interesting ideas. It's worth studying too, if you are
- interested in seeing how other people are doing their stackware.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: STEVEMALLER
- Subject: HyperCard Upload
- Date: 24-AUG 22:10 Public Domain
-
- Peter,
-
- I have a HyperCard XFCN (eXternal FunCtioN) that I wrote which I would
- like to upload to the databases tonight. I'll be logging back on in a
- couple hours. If you can set me up by then I'd appreciate it...
-
- Thanks,
-
- Steve
-
- [ It has been posted to INFO-MAC. - Jeff ]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard Upload (Re: Msg 22052)
- Date: 25-AUG 01:47 Public Domain
-
- Drool ... you wouldn't happen to have instructions on how to call the 39
- service routines (some not implemented) that HyperCard provides to its
- XFCN/XCMD modules, would you? I'd like to see that even more than an
- example of XFCN code!
-
- My other burning desire is to know how I can allocate private space on
- the heap and later (i.e., in another invocation of my XFCN or in another
- cooperating XFCN) locate it.
-
- Anyway, it will be set up shortly.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: STEVEMALLER
- Subject: RE: HyperCard Upload (Re: Msg 22060)
- Date: 25-AUG 02:18 Public Domain
-
- Peter,
-
- I hesitate to upload that stuff as I haven't heard that it is cool to
- post yet. If I find out that it IS cool to post, I will immediately! I
- have them all here on my hard disk. As a matter of fact, my example uses
- one of them.
-
- As far as private storage on the heap, I suppose you could simply make a
- resource of some unique type ("peab" #0?) and just do a GetResource to
- recover the handle. If you DO get the handle, you're in business. If not
- you do what every well-written Mac application does -- you crash! Just
- kidding. It is an interesting problem and I think the idea of a private
- resource (semi-private I guess) makes sense. Do you think that'd work? I
- think it would. But you are essentially a "stranger in a strange land"
- so you DO have to be careful... I have some pretty groovy ideas for
- XCMDs and I'm going to try and do at least one more this week.
-
- Steve
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard Upload (Re: Msg 22061)
- Date: 25-AUG 15:41 Public Domain
-
- The private resource will certainly work, and in the context of
- read-write stacks is just fine. I don't find it very appealing though,
- because of the overhead of calling GetResource and because in the future
- when stacks are shareable, the resource fork cannot be opened for
- writing. I have never had a clear idea what the meaning of writing
- resources in memory only is (i.e., whether that very useful feature is
- really supported, where you could make temporary non-purgeable resources
- that are not intended ever to be written to disk.)
-
- Another thing I'd like to see is a way of declaring additional
- function/command names from a single module. As you know, only one name
- can be associated with a module through the use of a resource name.
- Since you typically need to provide a little *bundle* of related
- resources (did I actually say that :-) it would be awfully nice if there
- was a way of tying them together.
-
- The ideal solution to the private memory problem would be to create what
- some operating systems call a "bound procedure variable", which is an
- entry point plus a pointer to private memory. The pointer to private
- memory would be passed as an additional hidden parameter on calls to the
- procedure, much like the use of "self" in MacApp. While I'm rattling
- away, what's the story on creating new object classes in HyperTalk? If
- there was a way to do that, it would solve a lot of these gritty little
- problems!
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: STEVEMALLER
- Subject: RE: HyperCard Upload (Re: Msg 22069)
- Date: 26-AUG 03:08 Public Domain
-
- As far as your ideas re HyperCard, my ideal would be to add new
- PROPERTIES to objects. For example, I would like to be able to say "the
- size of file XXX" or "the pathname of file XXX". There seems to be no
- way of creating objects or adding properties to existing ones.
-
- As far as trashable "in memory only resources" it is trivial. If you
- don't call _ChangedResource the resource is NOT written when the file is
- updated even if something about the resource has changed. And if you
- call HNoPurge (myResourceHandle) you can be pretty sure that it will be
- relatively immortal. (huh?) You know what I mean.
-
- Steve
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: KEYBOARDER
- Subject: accounting pgm.
- Date: 24-AUG 23:36 Business Mac
-
- I am about to purchase a Mac+. Can anyone give me some recommendations
- on an accounting program? I need a program that will handle General
- Ledger, AR, AP ( preferrably a double-entry system). Also, one that will
- print invoices and maybe even estimates/quotes. It will be used for a
- small-bued operation. Any suggestions would really be appreciated.
- Thanks.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MACWEEKBOS
- Subject: RE: accounting pgm. (Re: Msg 22054)
- Date: 25-AUG 11:02 Business Mac
-
- A friend of mine looked around quite a bit and ended up with one from
- Great Plains Software. They seem to be good about support, but they do
- charge for it. I'd check them out.
-
- Ric
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: BRECHER
- Subject: TMON 2.8 patch
- Date: 25-AUG 21:26 Tools for Developers
-
- There is a logical omission in the TMON 2.8 User Area that sets up
- conditions for a later crash if you use the ExitToShell function while
- Suitcase is running
- -- the existing code closes the suitcase files at the file (not resource) level,
- so the maps are still around, and when you later try to open a DA or use a font,
- etc., in one of those files, nasty things happen.
-
- The changes to the UA source code are as follows:
-
- NotMFS
- SUB #ioFCBQElSize,SP
- MOVE.L SP,A0
- MOVE.W #1,ioFCBIndx(A0) ;12/6/85 IM: File Manager says this is a long word!
- CheckFCB
- CLR.W ioVRefNum(A0)
- CLR.W ioRefNum(A0)
- _GetFCBInfo
- BMI.S FCBErr
- ;;;;;;;;; MOVE.W ioRefNum(A0),D1 ;SLB 8/22/87
- Move ioRefNum(A0),D3 ;SLB 8/22/87
- BEQ.S AdvanceFile
- ;;;;;;;;; CMP.W SysMap,D0 ;SLB 8/22/87
- Bsr.S IsRsrcFile ;SLB 8/22/87
- BEQ.S AdvanceFile
- _Close
- AdvanceFile
- ADD.W #1,ioFCBIndx(A0)
- BRA.S CheckFCB
- FCBErr
- CMP.W #fnOpnErr,D0 ;fnOpnErr means that we have
- covered all files!?
- BEQ.S DidAllFiles
- BRA.S AdvanceFile
-
- ;D3.W = file refNum. Return CCR Z set if it's a resource map refNum,
- ;D1-->D3 SLB 8/22/87
- ;i.e., a resource file that was not closed by the CloseResFile loop.
- ;If so, it's either the System file or CloseResFile was patched.
-
- ----------------------
-
- Fedit Patch to User Area:
-
- change: 7008 A260 6B14 3028 0018 6708 B078 0A58
- to: 7008 A260 6B14 3628 0018 6708 6114 4E71
- diffs: X XXXX XXXX
-
- This will not give the exact same UA as reassembling, because the binary patch
- includes a NOP to keep the same length.
-
- I'm not sure why, but the original pattern can't be found in TMON itself; it is
- found only in a saved User Area.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard available (Re: Msg 22104)
- Date: 28-AUG 13:53 Mousing Around
-
- The password scheme is not a very secure lock. I think it is mainly there to
- keep casual exploration from damaging a stack, rather than to make a script
- secure. (Nothing in the file is encrypted, and with Fedit+ you can figure out
- quite readily how to clear the password.)
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MACWEEKBOS
- Subject: RE: HyperCard available (Re: Msg 22114)
- Date: 28-AUG 14:25 Mousing Around
-
- This is odd, because there is all this stuff in the help stacks about the
- password encryption process. I've just been exploring, with little help
- from either Goodman or the help stack, both of which seem to be real limited
- in discussions of passwords. Here's some stuff I've found:
-
- If you link to a password protected stack, you have to enter the password
- when the linking button is pressed. Similarly, when you try to return to a
- password protected stack, you must enter the password of the stack you're
- returning to. If both stacks use the same password, however, you don't have
- to enter it. I had trouble finding information about passwords in Goodman's
- book. Is there some kind of special password variable? I can't find mention
- of it.
-
- Ric
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: PEABO
- Subject: RE: HyperCard available (Re: Msg 22119)
- Date: 28-AUG 17:05 Mousing Around
-
- I thought that the password, once entered, would stick for the duration of your
- HyperCard session! If you have to keep entering it on return, that is a
- problem.
-
- I actually didn't try a completely password-protected stack. The ones where you
- limit the access level certainly are not encrypted. The password is encrypted
- and you cannot figure out the password from the hashcode in any very reasonable
- way.
-
- peter
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: MACWEEKBOS
- Subject: RE: HyperCard available (Re: Msg 22121)
- Date: 28-AUG 18:12 Mousing Around
-
- Yes, the password, once entered, stays around. If you open a stack with a
- *different* password, you get a chance to enter the new one. On returning to
- the former, password-protected stack, you have to change once more.
-
- Ric
-
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-
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